Medieval Clothing Conversion Wishlist(s)

[hat_plays_sims]

So, aside from my main stickypost, I have a Hair To-Do List, a Pregmorph Reference List, and a Hats and Headwear Resource/Wishlist. This post is going to be MOSTLY a wishlist, but secondarily a resource post, partlyy because I want to kind of streamline my main wishlist. If I put all my clothing conversion wishes in there, I'd be... Well, I'd have a very long and untidy wishlist.

Age Conversions
The thing about clothing patterns in the Middle Ages is that they were very, very similar for everybody. A shirt was essentially a shift, cut shorter, a robe and a gown could be the same garment depending on the sex of the wearer, children wore simplified versions of adult clothing, and everybody wore hats. If you were still growing, your clothing was made so that you could grow into it, because it was expected to last for years-- or there was no point in wasting the time it would take to make it by hand.

Since I'm actually trying to streamline how many meshes I have in my game, this is going to turn into a list of 'basic' Medieval meshes that could stand to be shifted to different ages. The meshes I personally desperately need will be marked with a *star*-- or a whole string of stars, if I'd be willing to give my eyeteeth or firstborn for the conversion.

To BU
Pick a baby gown, any baby gown, and I want Cynnix's coif added to it. Included in the zip are meshes by Bloom, Tenshii Akari, Chris Hatch, I think TheRaven... I'll figure out the gender-separated stuff myself, but I want cute little caps on my babies sometimes.
Download Mesh under 'Decently Covered' or 'I Got Better.' Beth provides and I got to work! More outfits soon, and blessings on the head of Chris Hatch for making non-default baby clothes a possibility.

To PU
Nothing yet

To CU
Oph3lia's Bracer-free edit of Aligeth's Robin Hood Mesh Cynnix provides! I've recolored this; check the Clothing: Child or Toddler tag to the right to find Du Lac tunics for little boys.
Cynnix's edit of Ophelia's Crucifix-free edit of Aligeth's Friar Tuck Mesh (with FantasyRogue's poulaines) Cynnix provides!
**Cynnix's Laced-Sleeve Gown (I want those sleeves for little girls) Cynnix provides!I've recolored this; check the Clothing: Child or Toddler tag to the right to find Du Lac cotehardies for little girls.
***Iamliz's Medieval Alpha Dress Cynnix provides! I've recolored this; check the Clothing: Child or Toddler tag to the right to find Front-Laced Lady kirtles for little girls.
***Cynnix's Edit of Needlecream's Edit of a Liana Dress and Cynnix provides!
*Beryllium's Frigg Dress Cynnix provides!
***Heget's Perfect Tunics (though they lack fatmorphs)
***Parsimonious Kate's Faerie Witch dress (k8facfaeriewitchdress101009) Cynnix provides!
Besen's nachtemed121005 robe Cynnix Provides!

To TF
(always with a pregmorph)
***Parsimonious Kate's Faerie Witch dress (k8facfaeriewitchdress101009, opening up the possibility of AL witch defaults) Cynnix provides!
Parsimonious Kate Byzantine Dress ((k8parsfacbyzdress140206)
Pronupsims Padme Wedding Gown (either of the first two gowns)
Sim-Ages Medieval Fantasy dress Cynnix provides!
***Cocomama's Wide Fur Coat Long Dicreasy did an AF version! And Dicreasy provides a TF version, too!
Cocomama's Small Fur Coat Long
*Sims 2 Store Castle Set TM Knights (just fix the neck. Everybody looks unisex in that much chainmaille and padding). Cynnix provides!
****Cynnix's edit of Needlecream's Liana edit Cynnix provides!

To TM
**Jaccirocker's Runner Guy Tiggerypum alpha tunic
Besen's nachtemed121005 robe Cynnix Provides!
Gara's AM mesh 01 (click clothes, then Male Everyday & Swimwear)
Sim-Ages Royal Velvet Man
Tomyang's Changpao
Niaolong's FtM Nightlife Vampire gown (my personal copy, pinned to NL)
G-Knee's block and sexyfeet conversions of the Sim-Ages nightshirt
Heget's Perfect Tunics, with fatmorph at least

To AF
(always with a pregmorph)
*Sims 2 Store Castle Set AM Knight (just adjust the neck, everybody looks unisex in that much chainmaille) Cynnix provides!
Parsimonious Kate TF Rengown (k8parsftfrengown021605; the AF rengown is corseted uncomfortably)

To AM
Nothing yet

To EF
I let elders use adult clothes.

To EM
Letting elders use adult clothing saves space. Saving space saves loading time!

Custom Body Shapes

I have two problems with using custom body shapes: one, I can never find enough Medieval clothing meshes to make me happy, and two, when you find a great female shape, there's almost never a male counterpart to go with it. I don't hold with pairing RenGal with Bodybuilders or custom female shapes with default Maxis men. Really, there are only three custom bodyshapes I want in my game, and they hearken back to the old Sims 1 days of Fat, Fit, and Skn.

For slenderness, gender-ambiguity, and women dressing as men to run away, run away and join the army, run away and go for a sailor, et cetera, I want Aquilegia's Androgyny in my game.

For strength, for knights and blacksmiths and... yep, also women who run away to pursue masculine pursuits, or who just help their fathers around the forge, I want a combination of Jaccirocker's Runner for men and Marvine's Athletic Girl for women. (A showerproof skintone combo was in the works, but Jacci is having some medical problems. I don't mind waiting for her.)

For well-fed lords, healthy ladies, stout bakers, busty wenches, and the like, the body shape I want doesn't exist yet. Basically I want something one step up from the Maxis fat morph, with sexyfeet, an even fatter fatmorph, and I don't mind if there isn't an elder shape if there's a child shape. For the purposes of this wishlist, I'm calling them the Hypothetical Heavyweights. (For a female shape, either Dr. Pixel's Well-Rounded Sim or Cynnix's Warlokk RenGal V2 would work-- I'd even use both, if both had male counterparts.)

I was going to make a very comprehensive list linking every mesh I want adapted to every age and shape, but that list had a LOT of repeats in it. As with age conversions, there are really only so many different meshes that need to be converted to make a bodyshape Medievally playable, so I'm going to start with the ones that would need to be converted to all the bodyshapes (for the applicable age and gender), then list the meshes that each specific age/gender/bodyshape combo calls for. If this is super-confusing please let me know and I'll figure out some other way to do it. It took me three days to figure this out, collect all the links, and code this and the pregmorph database/wishlist. (No Castaways Stories meshes are listed here, but if you wanted to do them for custom body shapes, you can get all the native meshes here and here and here. You would have my gratitude, but I'm already begging for sexyfeet and/or pregmorphs added to all those meshes, and I don't expect anyone else is as in love with Castaway Stories as I am.) I'll mark the meshes I most desperately want converted with a *star*. (As far as I'm concerned, a usable Medieval bodyshape clothing kit consists of the starred meshes under the All Shapes headers plus Tiggerypum's Alpha Tunic, which I already have for seven of the eleven shapes I'd want it converted to fit. ... Most people don't need the ninjas and plantsims. I love plantsims probably more than is good for me, and my clergysims (plus any orphaned or unwanted children handed over to the church) wear the ninja outfit, as it is perfectly egalitarian.)

All Shapes, All Affected Ages and Genders
***(AF, TF, and AM with pregmorphs)
A true-nude mesh with sexy feet, nipples, and clefts where appropriate. ('Naked' for underwear or PJs is never really out of period.)

All Shapes TF and AF
(always with a pregmorph)
*Cynnix's laced-sleeve gown. Androgyny by Cynnix I have recolored this mesh! Check the Clothing: Aquilegia's Androgyny Body Shape and look for Du Lac Cotehardies.
*Cynnix's sexyfeet edit of Needlecream's edit of a Liana dress. AG by Cynnix Now with RenGal V2 by Cynnix!
*Beryllium's Frigg's Dress with Dicreasy's bustline fix (especially for Athletic Girl) AG by Cynnix
***Iamliz's Medieval Alpha Dress AG by Cynnix, Androgyny by Cynnix, and RenGal by Cynnix.
Lord Dragonstone's Peasant Sleeves gown (as seen on Sherahbim's Maiden gown) AG by Cynnix
*Cynnix's assorted variations of Amaryll's summery strapdress (both sleeve variants with flats and sexy feet, please)
Mio's Italian Renaissance gown
Tiggerypum's Layered Medieval dress AG by Cynnix
Parsimonious Kate's TF Rengown
Cocomama's small fur coat long
***Cocomama's wide fur coat long (especially for Hypothetical Heavyweights; find Dicreasy's Pregmorph here.)
Cocomama's coat fur trim long
*Parsimonious Kate's Faerie Witch dress (k8facfaeriewitchdress101009)
Parsimonious Kate Byzantine Dress ((k8parsfacbyzdress140206)
Pronupsims Padme Wedding Gown (either of the first two gowns)
Sim-Ages Medieval Fantasy dress (especially for Hypothetical Heavyweight) AG by Cynnix
Aligeth's Woolen Chemise (I have a version with a pregmorph, probably by Cynnix, but I don't remember where I got it)
**Basegame tfbodyniteshirt (one with block feet and one with sexy feet, please)
**Basegame afbodynightgown (one with block feet and one with sexy feet, please)

All Shapes TF only
(always with a pregmorph)
**Cocomama's Plantsim conversion
**Cocomama's Ninja conversion
Cocomama's Nightlife vampire gown
Sims 2 Store Castle Set Celtic Princess Gown
Basegame tfbodyformaltrumpet

All Shapes AF only
(always with a pregmorph)
Sims 2 Store Castle Set Celtic Princess Gown
Basegame afbodydresslongloose (without dangly bit)
Nightlife afbodydressmedieval
*Seasons Plantsim
*Open for Business afbodyninja
*Bon Voyage afbodysuperninja

All Shapes TM and AM
AM needs pregmorphs
*Oph3lia's bracer-free edit of Aligeth's Robin Hood tunic
Mio's Italian Renaissance tunic
******FantasyRogue's separate tunics and chausses
Gara'sAM mesh 01 (click clothes, then Male Everyday & Swimwear)
Aligeth's Antique Linen nightshirt
Aligeth's Lord of the Manor nightshirt
*Iamliz13's Rus Viking tunic (possibly not AM for Runner; the LBB version is passable)
*Cynnix's Aligeth Friar Tuck with FantasyRogue poulaines
Cynnix's update of Lunar Eclipse's Count D robe
Marja's no-jewel versions of Lunar Eclipse's Count D robe
G-Knee's block and sexyfeet conversions of the Sim-Ages nightshirt
Heget's Perfect Tunics, which lack morphs.
*Apartment Life ambodywitch

All Shapes TM only
*Cocomama's Plantsim conversion
*Cocomama's Ninja conversion
*Apartment Life tmbodywitch

All Shapes AM only
(always with a pregmorph)
*Seasons Plantsim
*Open for Business ambodyninja
*Bon Voyage ambodysuperninja

To Aquilegia's Androgyny TF and AF
(always with a pregmorph)
**Oph3lia's bracer-free edit of Aligeth's Robin Hood tunic
**Cynnix's Aligeth Friar Tuck with FantasyRogue poulaines
Marja's \no-jewel versions of Lunar Eclipse's Count D robe
Cynnix's update of Lunar Eclipse's Count D robe
Besen's amnachtemd robe
G-Knee's block and sexyfeet conversions of the Sim-Ages nightshirt
***FantasyRogue's separate tunics and chausses
G-Knee's age conversion of Iamliz13's Rus Viking tunic
Gara'sAM mesh 01 (click clothes, then Male Everyday & Swimwear)
Mio's Italian Renaissance tunic
***Heget's Perfect Tunics, which lack morphs.

To Aquilegia's Androgyny TF only
(always with a pregmorph)
Mijutaro's TF Kimono (not dying for it, but it would be nice)
Apartment Life tmbodywitch (note the M)

To Aquilegia's Androgyny AF only
(always with a pregmorph)
Happy Holidays AFbodykimono
Bon Voyage AFbodyyukata
Apartment Life ambodywitch (note the M)

To Aquilegia's Androgyny TM and AM
AM needs pregmorphs
Beryllium's Frigg's Dress (link leads to Dicreasy's fixed-bustline version... which is... less important for androgynes, but there you go anyway)
*Cynnix's laced-sleeve gown Cynnix provides!
*Cynnix's assorted variations of Amaryll's summery strapdress (both sleeve variants with flats and sexy feet, please)
Cocomama's small fur coat long
Cocomama's wide fur coat long
Cocomama's coat fur trim long
*Parsimonious Kate's Faerie Witch dress (k8facfaeriewitchdress101009)
*Basegame tfbodyniteshirt (one with block feet and one with sexy feet, please)
*Basegame afbodynightgown (one with block feet and one with sexy feet, please)
***Iamliz's Medieval Alpha Dress Cynnix provides!

To Aquilegia's Androgyny TM only
Niaolong's AM Nightlife Vampire dress
Mio's Italian Renaissance gown
Sims 2 Store Castle Set Celtic Princess Gown
Basegame tfbodyformaltrumpet

To Aquilegia's Androgyny AM only
always with a pregmorph
Parsimonious Kate Byzantine Dress ((k8parsfacbyzdress140206)
Pronupsims Padme Wedding Gown (either of the first two gowns)
Sims 2 Store Castle Set Celtic Princess Gown

To Runner/Athletic Girl TF and AF
(always with a pregmorph)
**FantasyRogue's separate tunics and chausses (flat chests on tunics)
**Iamliz13's Rus Viking tunic (flat chest or full chest. Or both. She's a Viking.)
*Oph3lia's bracer-free edit of Aligeth's Robin Hood tunic (neck-match only, the cowl is good boob camoflage)
Mio's Italian Renaissance tunic (flat chest)
G-Knee's block and sexyfeet conversions of the Sim-Ages nightshirt (flat chest, full chest, or both)
***Nude blockfoot bodysuit with relatively smoothed-over buttcrack and flattened chest (for breast-bound chausses. I'll be making chausses until I die)

To Runner/Athletic Girl TF only
(always with a pregmorph)
See TF-only all body shapes

To Runner/Athletic Girl AF only
(always with a pregmorph)
See AF-only all body shapes

To Runner/Athletic Girl TM and AM
(AM needs pregmorphs)
**Nude blockfoot bodysuit with relatively smoothed-over buttcrack (for chausses. I'll be making chausses until I die)

To Runner/Athletic Girl TM only
******Tiggerypum's TM Alpha tunic

To Runner/Athletic Girl AM only
(always with a pregmorph)
See AM-only all body shapes

To Hypothetical Heavyweights CU
**Cynnix's Aligeth Friar Tuck with FantasyRogue poulaines
**Cynnix's assorted variations of Amaryll's summery strapdress (both sleeve variants with flats and sexy feet, please)
*Iamliz's Assassin's Creed robe for children
*Aquilegia's CU Ninja conversion
*Cocomama's CU Plantsim conversion
Aligeth's CM Antique Linen nightshirt
***Kaylynn's Simple Shift and Silvain's sexyfeet edit of same

To Hypothetical Heavyweights CF
***Iamliz's Medieval Alpha Dress Cynnix provides!
*Cynnix's Laced-Sleeve Gown
Aligeth's Linen and Lace nightdress
Cynnix's non-flickering edit of Tiggerypum's FC Long Gown
Cynnix's non-flickering edit of Tiggerypum's FC Layered Medieval
Cynnix's non-flickering edit of Tiggerypum's FC Long Bell Gown
Ghanima's CF Witch
*Ghanima's CF Vampire
***Cynnix's Edit of Needlecream's Edit of a Liana Dress and Cynnix provides, at least for RGv2.
*Beryllium's Frigg Dress
***Parsimonious Kate's Faerie Witch dress (k8facfaeriewitchdress101009)
**Cocomama's Wide Fur Coat Long

To Hypothetical Heavyweights CM
**FantasyRogue's separate tunics and chausses
G-Knee's age conversion of Iamliz13's Rus Viking tunic
**Oph3lia's Bracer-free edit of Aligeth's Robin Hood Mesh
*****Tiggerypum's CM Alpha tunic
Tiggerypum's CM Renshirt (as seen on Sherahbim's Gypsies)
*Ghanima's CM Warlock
**Nude blockfoot bodysuit with relatively smoothed-over buttcrack (for chausses. I'll be making chausses until I die)
***Heget's Perfect Tunics, which lack morphs.

To Hypothetical Heavyweights TF and AF
(always with a pregmorph)
See AF/TF all body shapes

To Hypothetical Heavyweights TF only
(always with a pregmorph)
See TF-only all body shapes

To Hypothetical Heavyweights AF only
(always with a pregmorph)
See AF-only all body shapes

To Hypothetical Heavyweights TM and AM
AM needs pregmorphs
*FantasyRogue's separate tunics and chausses
**Tiggerypum's Alpha tunic
Tiggerypum's Renshirt (as seen on Sherahbim's Gypsies)
***Nude blockfoot bodysuit with relatively smoothed-over buttcrack (for chausses. I'll be making chausses until I die)

To Hypothetical Heavyweights TM only
*Sims 2 Store Castle Set TM Knight

To Hypothetical Heavyweights AM only
(always with a pregmorph)
*Sims 2 Store Castle Set AM Knight
*Open for Business Knight Armor

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You've probably already noticed, but Cynnix updated their version of Iamliz13's alpha dress yesterday, here: http://www.medievalsims.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=4082&p=52114&sid=0e058c5402c22a5fa01dd3497b9a4adc#p52114

... and eeeeeeek.

[hat_plays_sims]

Cynnix shot me a link in a comment, I've just had a busy weekend. (Advice: Never break in new shoes when you know you're going to be on your feet on a concrete floor from 7:30 am to 5:20 pm.) But I've grabbed the meshes and will check them in Body Shop and I should have the Androgyny and AG front-laced Lady kirtles up before midweek. (I have to take some new comparison pictures.)

... Eeek? Why eeek?

[(Anonymous)]

I... honestly don't remember why eeek. Um. Sorry.

But I'm happy to hear that, and, ah, I'll heed your advice wrt shoes.

[oph3lia]

The parsim ren gown for AF, what is it about it that you want changed? I've been working on some recolours and have discovered that the TF mesh is mapped differently and I can't texture link it to AF files because they look borked. So it might be easier to edit the AF mesh?

[hat_plays_sims]

My issue with the AF rengown is that it's got some SERIOUS support garments going on underneath; the waist is narrower than the Maxis default by a fair bit, and the bustline is at least a full cup size larger. And, you know, if that's what you want, that's awesome, but it's not exactly the easy-to-wear corset-free Medieval look I'd personally be going for.

[oph3lia]

Ah yeah the bust, I've noticed that before, but not the waist (just had another look at it... can completely see what you mean now lol)... there is a marked shape difference between the AF and EF versions (the elder version is loose around that area and the bust is normal elder size). I could probably fix that stuff on the AF mesh (I want to convert it anyway to replace the teen one so I can texture reference, so I might as well fix the adult version).

[oph3lia]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sparklysigh/sims/renfront_zps434eb12c.jpg

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/sparklysigh/sims/renside_zps459650e8.jpg

How's that?

I'll loosen the waist on the fat morph, but dunno if you want the bust size altered on the preg morph?

[hat_plays_sims]

Sorry to be so slow getting back to you-- I'm working on my Blind Date gift. I'm currently in the 'monkeywork' phase of creation.

So, MUCH better, oh my god. Not nearly as Barbie-shaped as it used to be. (... Not that Barbie is shaped like that anymore, either.) Um, feel free to do as you please with the pregmorph bust size? I know I use the Xhires nude default for AF, but I don't know how big the breasts get. (I also use The Mystical One's pregmorphs, but... you know, not so much these days, since I have damn near everything contemporary hidden.)

[oph3lia]

That's ok :) Ah that's always..... fun. Only just got back into paying attention/making things myself... had a long sabbatical (namely other PC games lol).

I think I'll leave it as it is, it doesn't look too bad since given there's a pregnancy bump, it's not corseted. Well better just check it doesn't look too odd... there were some vertices doing odd things round there :/

Also, the mesh was built off that maxis dress mesh (long loose) the one with the dodgy mapping around the waist... I might try and see if I can fix that, although mapping is not my forte but it bugs me that it doesn't align.

[hat_plays_sims]

I thought I saw a bit of a seam, but I wasn't sure. Seams are evil. I mean, you can work around them, but... They're evil. I wish you luck with the mapping; I might actually use that mesh if it were easy to recolor AND not shaped like a 1980s Superstar Barbie.

[oph3lia]

AF version is done, mapped fixed and morphs tidied up.

EF version also has the damn seam... dunno if you use that but I do lol.

[hat_plays_sims]

Awesome!

I usually let my elders use adult clothes, mostly because the EF default was clearly built by people with no inherent understanding of a) bras and b) breasts that aren't high and perky.

That and it saves on file space, which is always nice.

Are you doing new meshes or mesh edits?

[oph3lia]

Haha yeah, when I convert things to elder I tend to give them bras lol.

True, very corseted or structured meshes (the alpha one by sim ages for example) I figure an elder would be using the same undergarments so I tend to use those for both, or very baggy things (nightdresses for example but there is a lack of good medieval/fantasy sleepwear meshes for elders).

I've imported the AF into the original mesh package but I can make it a stand alone mesh pretty easily. The TF version is mapped so vastly differently that it would break so many recolours that I will probably have to make the conversion from AF a new mesh.

[hat_plays_sims]

Right? It's like they made the AF default perky enough to not need a bra, and figured nobody would side-eye the clearly bra-free EF even if all the underwear options are girdle panties paired with those cast-iron brassieres that give you that 1950s pointy bullet-boob look in real life. I gave up, and now I use an EF default Kayleigh put together for me that's basically the AF bodyshape with saggy, flattened breasts, because I was tired of EA's post-menopausal bone structure changes (and the fact that I couldn't find any existing EF defaults with nipples or clefts. It's not like they fall off after you hit fifty-- and I hadn't found Back Alley Sims at that point). As a bonus, all my AF meshes instantly work for EF unless they're particularly boobtastic.

But oh MAN I hear you on the sleepwear issue; there's a lack of sleepwear for all women that doesn't still kinda look like there's a bra under there, especially long nightgowns. You're supposed to take that stuff off before bed! (That's one reason I like the basegame nightgown and nightshirt meshes; they're convincingly loose.)

If you've fixed the mapping on the AF, that might break a few recolors, too. I know at least the EF ZoeJ rengowns have some serious seaming on the waist and sides that isn't present on the AF version.

[oph3lia]

Ha yeah. The elder underwear looks weird juxtaposed with the saggy-ness. Ahh I see. I kinda like the elder shape apart from the sagging (and elder male aside from the skinny legs) Sometimes I think EA have no concept of what real bodies look like :/

Reminds me that I need to get back onto the bodyshape I was working on (a sorta slimmer rengal with less boobage). I started converting the peasant sleeve dress the other week (the one sherahbim's maiden and fairytale dresses are on) but predictably I got side tracked by another project. Namely the fairytale dresses for children et al in curiousb's colours with different coloured trims and underdresses.

Yes, indeed... I actually have an EF mesh by aligeth that's a nightgown that I made show up for adults because it looks more believable. Shame there's only one recolour. Hmm wonder if there's any meshes that are close enough to medieval sleepwear that I could edit a bit.

Checked the recolours up on parsim (recent ones), zoej's nightgowns and sherahbim's gwynimean gown in milkshape and they all seem fine on the AF, since it was mostly just the waist line I fixed and neatened up. I can send over the edited file though if I've missed anything you want to check?

[hat_plays_sims]

EA has absolutely no idea what real bodies look like. Thank heaven for default replacements. (I don't really mind the EF shape, aside from the fact that EA seems to think breasts melt at menopause, but I also don't think it looks enough like the AF shape to be What Happens Next.)

Sounds kinda like DrPixel's Well-Rounded Sim-- or are the breasts smaller than that? (I like the Well-Rounded Sim; she's one step fatter than the Maxis fat morph. I just wish she had a male counterpart.) And hey, I'm working on a sort of resource project, and I'm wondering if it would be of any interest to you-- Cynnix said it was a good idea, but it's basically collecting all the Medieval meshes (well, the good ones; I'm not including Tig's tunicpants or the lumpy meshes from Midsimmer Night's Dream) with a single recolor, and uploading them in a tidily-organized folder for the convenience of folk wanting to convert them to other bodyshapes.

There's at least one more recolor of that nightgown on Parsimonious, by Arthelope. And I think Cynnix made a pregmorph for it, but offhand I don't know where it's uploaded, alas.

You'd know better than I would if anything was funky on the rengown-- I think I finally pulled all of them out of my game. (It doesn't make an excellent nightgown, for the record. It clips through the bedding like crazy.)

[oph3lia]

Yeah I agree... it looks like EF and AF have different bone structure.

http://oph3lia.dreamwidth.org/37367.html I smoothed it out a bit, there's some pics somewhere on my DW but I can't find them lol. I wish I knew how to add new vertices to a body mesh so I could smooth some areas out more but alas that and bone assignments are not things I can do.

Ah that sounds incredibly useful! Also as a resource for age converting/adding morphs if that hasn't been done too. Even if I am woefully slow at shape converting lol. Some of the older meshes have terrible recolours from what I recall :/ Ha Midsimmer Night's Dream - the fingers on that elven style mesh for AF are borked to buggery. Am tempted to fix them though, quite like the shape of the dress. Don't really use much else from that other than that male mesh you used for the heraldry.

I'll have a poke about on parsimonious and check. I think I'll leave them as replacements then. The AF mesh has a pregnancy morph (and so will the TF conversion I'm making of it).

Indeed, also... who wears heeled shoes to bed? lol. I hardly use it these days but I do love the recolour sherahbim made for it (then again I have all of her stuff pretty much, it might not be accurate but it's so pretty!) Also on the sherahbim front, I've nearly wrapped up a large-ish project I've been working on.

[hat_plays_sims]

It's an interesting shape! I like the heavier thighs. Alas, my big rule for bodyshapes is that both sexes have to be similarly affected, which is why right now my game only has Default and Androgyny skins in. (Cynnix is working on some bigger guys, though, and there's a lot of LBB stuff to go with the Athletic Girl, just not the meshes I, you know, USE.)

That's what Cynnix said! There are a few more meshes I'm waiting on (mostly CM conversions, but a few sleeve edits, too), but if there's a mesh bundle all in one place, then it's that much easier to make a set of themed meshes, right?

... I think the mesh I used for the heraldry came from the Dark Project set. Both sets are a little bit Hollywood Medieval, though, and the meshes and textures... Very sad. Those hats with the spidery feathers! The veils and wimples that aren't animated, or have insanity mapping! The 'leggings' that are actually slacks! There are concepts I'd use, if the execution were better.

I meant the Aligeth nightgown that looks bra-free-- it's pinky-red deal.

I love that recolor, too, which is why I slapped it on a Liana mashup mesh (sexyfeet added by Needlecream, morphs and the underside of the dress by Cynnix) and recolored it a bnch of times.

Oooh, large-ish project?

[oph3lia]

Would have replied sooner had my broadband not gone down for 2 days :/ It's amazing how lost you can feel without the net in this day and age lol

Yeah I don't have anything to use with the rengal (although I saw Cynnix was working on a brawny knight shape? I think that works pretty well with the ren). I was thinking of that athletic guy http://www.insimenator.org/index.php/board,160.0.html (I've always liked that shape, its not too muscular and I don't like muscly men so I don't use any of the bigger male shapes at all) would be a good pairing, but it needs massively updating and I'm not so good with male meshes. Heck I don't even know how to make showerproof stuff for the shape I'm working on lol.

Indeed... meshes for all!

Ahh, I get the 2 projects mixed up in my head. Yeah, they are... I think the textures are more bothersome for me, since meshes I can mangle somewhat (although tbh these days with all the great medieval content on plumbbob keep and whatnot don't really use them) but I suck at textures (unless I can cobble together bits of other peoples and even then, it's not really something I have a talent for). For some reason there seems to be a lack or rather has been a lack of good execution of medieval stuff. Quite a few good medieval creators about now though.

Hmm, not sure I only use Aligeth's medieval style nightgowns... maybe it's one of her others; had a look but not sure. I've seen plenty of modern nightwear clipping beds too though.

Yep, I have that... I stuck blockfeet on the mesh (which I need to remember to put up, since I think I'm not the last blockfoot mesh user... maybe? lol)

I've got 2 parts of it up now... it's basically Sherahbim's outfits (a considerable amount of them) on other ages (well mostly teen and elder). With a few new meshes where teen and elder versions were lacking and a bunch of texture linking. Also got some curious b recolours of some of them to post up afterwards and possible some texture mangling for a few new outfits (still seeing what works and what doesn't at the moment).

Also my brain has now decided it wants to do NPC replacements as well which might take some time. Sunni has some good ones up and I use some of them but there's a few bits here and there I'd like to do differently... maybe knight outfits for firefighters and police (either the plate armour from OFB or the chainmail outfits from EA store now that there's female conversions)... not sure what to do about mascots but I don't think cow and llama costumes work for me in a medieval setting. Maybe satyrs or something.... lol.

[hat_plays_sims]

I know the feeling. It was really frustrating the last time we lost our webs, because it was while The Boy was moved out (with all his game systems), before I got a smartphone, and about three weeks before I got a new laptop. In fact it was when I learned my old laptop was no longer so good at handling a browser in a timely fashion. I spent an hour in a Starbucks with the thing insisting it needed Windows updates while I desperately tried to contact people to tell them not to expect to see me for another week. (WHY they needed to interrupt our service for a week anna half in order to switch it from being in Dad's name to being in Mom's name after Dad passed, I have no idea.)

Right now, the shape-pairings I know I'm going to use are Androgyny, Athletic Girl/LBB or RNR, and RenGal/Brawny Knight. Cynnix's sneak-peek post about tunics for everyone has me sorely tempted to use the Neanderthal and the Punk Junkie, but there aren't any female shapes that suit those guys. (Look at the neck and shoulders on the Neanderthal! And the larger, manlier sexyfeet! And he's based on the Bon Voyage Bigfoot mesh, so we already know how he compares to in-game guys.) However, Cynnix has a Valkyrie in the pipeline that might work if she isn't too comic-book about the chest (she was a request, so). It's tempting to pair the Punk Junkie with the Faerie Gal, but I don't like the FG's ribcage measurement (needs to be a little wider so her arms don't hang funny. Sometimes women's thighs don't meet at the top; women's arms still usually hit their ribcage when hanging at rest) and ideally I'd want smaller breasts. More like V2, here, but with the nipples... uh, toned down. The other shape I'd love to be able to use is the Well-Rounded Sim, but again, she has no male counterpart. Cynnix is considering her, since she seems like a good step between Maxis Fat and RenGal Fit. (I actually made a really half-assed chart about the 'ideal' skintone spread.) But I swear, someday, not only will I have a mess of bodyshapes, I'll do an update to my Stolen By Fairies set to use them.

You should totally share the blockfoot Liana mesh! You're not the last blockfoot user out there, and even sexyfeet users use block feet for things like socks or light shoes.

*nods* Jusfels posted a bunch of Sherahbim teen conversions over at Feenwald, but I think they were all her Medieval things. Your post did make me seriously consider using that alpha dress in my game, but I'm already working with some Maxis nightshirts for my second-undermost layer.

I keep thinking about NPC replacements. I tell myself I can't do that until I've got my Regular People clothes and my Heraldic Clothes done. Which means I really need to get back to work on underwear. Though for firefighters, I'd suggest leather or padded armor, instead of maille or plate-- you COOK in maille and plate, and I think the holledoublet was developed after desert heat proved to be a particularly big obstacle to the first crusade getting underway. I think knight costumes (though maybe the Store ones) would work for the Uni mascots, since there are the cheerleaders, too-- Llama-based heraldry on blue and cow-based heraldry on black and they're pretty darned thematic.

[oph3lia]

Yeah, it's amazing how long it can take to get connected/re-connected when things go wrong. I've been browsing on my smartphone but it's awkward to look at certain sites on mine (like DW) and I think I have too many apps for different things already. I don't know what these companies do half the time... seems to be red tape and things for everything.

I've avoided for the most part using bodyshapes before recently (as a lot of the meshes I didn't like for the shapes) but I did have the rengal, riogal, athletic girl and guy some time ago. All I have now is the odd androgyny mesh, athletic girl; and a ton of medieval rengal stuff but no actual sims using them. Can't call to mind what RNR is.

I quite like the look of the neanderthal, it's more stocky/bulky than did steroids to the max bulky lol. That reminds me of when someone brought out a bodyshape on insimenator with the hugest most unreal looking breasts I have ever seen... probably took out walls when they turned round! Was a biiiit disturbing lol. I don't tend to like bodyshapes thinner than maxis for some reason, they always look odd to me. Yeah, the faerie girl doesn't look like she has bones/organs in places lol. Um, yes they look like they might take peoples' eyes out lol. For some reason I am thinking of the shape of the elves in dragon age: origins, which I think looks faerie/elvish without being oddly proportioned. I remember looking at the WRS shape, as the teen version? was pretty much the maxis teen fat morph and I think they got a much better deal than any other age /gender with fat morphs. I recall the thighs on the adult clipped when they moved though. I have that mod waiting to be used... I still haven't set up a medieval hood... I've been planning it for a few years now but I am woefully slow at getting all the bits and pieces together for it.

The problem is, I have a tendency to make blockfoot versions as replacements and while that cuts down on recolouring for me, not sure it makes it much use to anyone wanting them for socks/shoes. I can make stand alone versions, it's just quicker to pull it into the same file. Think I have a few mesh edits hanging around to go up, plus the parsim mesh edits to finish and put up.

I saw those... I've been working on it for ages, so I'd already done some of them and I figured as mine were texture linked and hers not, I may as well put them up anyway. I had a look at them since some I hadn't done mesh wise; and not sure how to contact the creator but at least 2 of the teen meshes have exploding fat morphs and one has a disconnected neck on the fat morph. Ooh more nightwear... something there's not much of.

Oh god, d'uh! .... see my brain was running with "who would rescue people? knights!" Lol.... that's what I get for trying to do too much at once. You'd think after all the history shows I watch that kinda thing would stick in my head but apparently not. Yeah, I was considering them for mascots as the helm works like the llama/cow head things. I don't think there's teen versions of them though... weirdly I recently found toddler versions. Maybe the EA store ones would work for police. Ah heraldry... these kind of things make me wish I could actually draw beyond stick men lol. I was leaning towards sherahbim's textures with something to theme them. And then there's the career outfits too and I'm severely getting ahead of myself again.

[hat_plays_sims]

RNR is Jaccirocker's Runner Guy; she made me a tunic when I noticed a lot of the LBB meshes had abs poking through all the layers of wool and maille and such, and it bugged the heck out of me. Bodyshapes never used to be a thing for me, either, but I worked it out and for me to play my game the way I want takes less than twenty meshes per age/sex combo, and some of those are True Nude and Nude Blockfoot Swim. Once Cynnix did the Alphadress, I was sold. I just need to get that mesh kit full up and posted (still waiting on a couple of CM meshes Cynnix has been working on).

I like the Neanderthal, too! But he needs a strong, stocky sister before I can put him in my game. (Might need a child shape on that one, as the neck is so different.) I think the reason some skinnier meshes look odd is because of the bone assignments-- the way anything broader than the Neanderthal looks weird with his muscles clipping. Pretty much I don't want to go more than two steps away from Maxis in any direction... although when I made my chart I stuck Androgyny in the middle, and I don't think going more than one step slimmer than Maxis is a good idea. (But I would like a nice waifish shape. Ballet dancer kind of thing. Not terribly skinnier than Maxis, just... narrower shoulders, leaner arms and legs, slighter hips, and on the women, smaller breasts, ideally with a different shape. With my 'must have an opposite-sex counterpart' rule, it's not like I can really use Warlokk's different cup sizes to get variation in breast shape, and Maxis and AG are pretty similar.)

But yep, WRS is just one step up from the Maxis fatmorph. Still falls prey to the 'boobs don't work that way' problem, alas-- fabric goes across, not between-- but I liked how it looked. I didn't put it in-game so I have no idea what the thighs do... but in a Medieval game, ladies' thighs are usually covered anyway.

There's always texture referencing. And I hear tell it isn't too hard to make a default into a stand-alone, so if the mesh is already out there, somebody could do that.

I didn't know that-- the meshes she used, I just took out of my game. Are they meshes Jusfels made herself? I know she has an account at GoS (she has an update thread) so she could be contacted there. And yep, nightclothes are on my list! Five difference child-through-elder outfits that'll fall in some combination of Underwear, Sleepwear, and Swimwear. (I'm thinking anything with chausses doesn't get to be nightclothes, and anything past the knee doesn't get to be swimwear. That way I can tell my categories apart when I do the 'pick new clothes' option on the Clothing Tool.)

Don't feel bad! Using the red OFB armor was my first instinct, but I spent so damn long researching things that now I know metal armor would be a really bad idea for somebody running into a fire. I mean, it makes sense-- cans explode if you heat them up too much. ... The mascots and cheerleaders are teenagers? I thought they were YAs. (Though the cheerleaders would need a heraldic surcote anyway, so they look different from the mascots.) The Store maille would be awesome for cops, since male and female use the same textures. There's plenty of room on the back for heraldry, too. As for career outfits, there are actually a couple of ways to default those. Personally I just use a Wear Casual To Work hack, but I keep thinking I might integrate something into my default replacement careers-- they call to outfit GUIDs for the different career levels, so I can't think why replacing the GUID with the GUID of a custom outfit wouldn't work. It'd leave me free to have uniforms where I want 'em and change the GUID-thingy to the same as not wearing anything to work for where I don't want 'em.

Also, I can't draw heraldry, but there's a lot of good heraldic clip art out there. That's how I've made my stuff.

[oph3lia]

Ah yes, I've seen that around. That sounds like something I shall poke about when it's up.

Yeah maybe something like an amazonian shape? Broad, stocky, muscular; more so than athletic girl? Damn my lack of bodyshape skills. I haven't even got one proper mesh for my shape yet beyond the nude (working on the peasant sleeves dress sherahbim used for her fairytale and maiden dresses in between everything else). That sounds like a nice shape, the ballet dancer one. Yeah I think that's what bothers me, when the assignments look wrong (otherwise I would want a dwarf shape) and body parts that clip.

Vacuum formed tops look weird. That was the biggest issue I found with warlokk's magnets (my bodyshape started out with maxis nude and warlokk's rengal magnets which I moved around; I tried to make some outfits but it messed up how dresses hung).

Some of them are, yes. The ones that exploded were, but I removed pretty much everything (it either duplicated stuff other creators had made that I had, or stuff I had made myself) except the juliette mesh conversion (that's the one with the neck issue on the fat morph) and the conversion of the meshes for faraday and moss as I hadn't finished doing them and they don't have morphs so no problems). Will have to send her a message, if I remember lol. Think I'm going down with a bug of some sort.

I wonder what would make a good replacement for fire fighters. Trying to think of what other male/female npc/work outfits share the same textures. They're YA but there's teen versions of the cheerleader outfit and there's the llama suit for teens which is used for one of the careers (um sport related one?) as a work outfit. Heard of those hacks but never used them, I quite like seeing my sims go off to work in a different outfit. Oooh default replacement careers, sounds good since without using any careers its a bit difficult to keep all sims busy.

Ah I will have to have a look around when I get round to it. Must finish all these sherahbim edits/recolours/texture referencing first though. And the parsimonious edits.

[hat_plays_sims]

The basic bodyshape is up in the first GoS Advent, I think. Her post has showerproof skintones, mine has the Tig tunic she made me. I can't imagine she'd be disappointed to come back from her injury-hiatus to find out there were more clothes for her guy.

Cynnix has one in the pipeline that sounds promising; she's calling it Valkyrie and it's sort of a She-Hulk kind of shape. The only part that sounds awkward to me are the comic-book breasts, but if those got scaled down, you could make another shape and call it Shieldmaiden and it'd be perfect. *grins* Sometimes I don't mind a little clipping-- like thighs on a heavy shape or the interior arm muscles on a bodybuilder, but there's only so broad you can make the shoulders before the Sim heads start looking like... like the knob on top of the neck you're supposed to attach the real head to. And I don't know if you can actually make the shoulders much narrower or if that would be a bone assignment nightmare... but I think you can change the slope and shape of them, so the ladies don't have such a 1980s square shoulderpad look.

I can see how the magnets would be useful for some things, but I got the feeling they were all based on the nude shape. You'd have to have a separate set of them for clothing meshes, and even then you'd always have to make adjustments.

I thought I'd seen most of those meshes made elsewhere. I guess I thought she was using other creators' stuff. And I hope you feel better! My back decided it was time for me to spend three days sitting very very still; I still twinge but I think I'm finally fully mobile again.

Maybe some leather armor would work for firemen. Scale armor would be easy to retexture. And of course, plenty of padding over the arms and legs, to insulate. They don't necessarily need to take a hit, firemen, they just need to look protected from the heat.

Are the teen cheerleader and llama outfits connected to the YA ones? I thought they were basegame. Although there's some defaulting method that doesn't default everything on the same mesh, but that's deep magic that I don't understand. And I like seeing my Sims change for work, but not into the Maxis stuff... and finding default replacement outfits that're up to my now-insane standards is a frickin' nightmare.

Heraldry is fun but it can eat your brains.

[faechangeling]

I come bearing a proposition!

I made those sexyfeet baby replacements, and then slapped some feet on Aligeth's AF chemise with Dicreasy's edit and Cynnix's TF conversion! Would all of this be something you're up to testing out? I don't have any babies or pregnant adults/teens in my game at the moment, so I would really appreciate an extra hand in checking on the baby meshes and if the pregmorphs are working with the feets. :)

[hat_plays_sims]

Well, at the moment, I have five infants, at least one pregnant adult female, and no pregnant teens. I've got another thing somebody else asked me to test, so I'll tell you what I told them: Once I finish doing texture-referencing on my Twikkii hairs, sure! Send the link along, I'll check it out.

(My current personal project: reduce the size of my downloads folder by texture-referencing until I can't texture-reference anymore. Then I start combining the sets I know I can't live without into single packages. With any luck, that'll both get me close to five gigs instead of hovering above six AND reduce my loading time to something less than twenty minutes, since the game reads a few big packages faster than lots of little ones.)

[faechangeling]

Weeeee! Thank you! :D

DOWNLOAD

[hat_plays_sims]

Nabbed! I shall get back to you shortly. ... Are the chemises defaults or stand-alone versions?

[faechangeling]

Hooray!

They are stand-alone!

Thanks to Heget's madness I now need two separate versions of just about every mesh I use so I can have naked feet recolors AND stockings using blockfeet meshes. So, yeah.

[hat_plays_sims]

Tested everything!

Pregmorhs work fine, and the sexyfeeted babies also work, but there's some weirdness in the calf area. I grabbed screenshots but didn't think to crop them (working on my GoS egg hunt gift. Will it be more heraldry? Will it be something from my Igors Unlimited thread? WE SHALL SEE!), so I will get those done and get them to you... um, soon.

But I hear you on the stockings thing! That's a brilliant idea, really. I plan to skip it on the long nightgowns because considering my palette has eighty-two colors (I try to cut it down to 68 in each set, but the only ones I can guarantee I'll be culling are Mauve, Teal, Gypsy Rose, Mango, and whichever black looks least appealing in that particular set), if I can't see the stocking at least to the knee, fancy stockings are a waste of space.

Reupload?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, hi!

It's actually me, Changeling, but I'm having issues logging into my old Dreamwidth account.

This was AGES ago, but you shouldn't still happen to have those files of the baby and Aligeth chemise sexyfeet edits I did back then, would you? I'd really appreciate if you'd be up sharing them back! I lost all my CC a few years back and am trying to get back into simming, lol.

Re: Reupload?

[hat_plays_sims]

ooooooh um. Probably I have them-- I think I pulled the Aligeth shift for having too-fancy sleeves, but I don't throw things away, just stash them on the hard drive. Do you happen to remember the filenames? Or if they had your name attached? I'll have a rummage through the passport drive and see what I can find.

Re: Reupload?

[(Anonymous)]

Hoarders unite!

They more than likely had either "sexyfeet" or "changeling" slapped to the file name in some capacity. I can't recall exactly what the baby mesh was, but the Aligeth was definitely that chemise Cynnix added the pregmorph to. Also, hello! It's great to see you're still around the Sims 2 community, especially SEVEN years later, lol!

Re: Reupload?

[hat_plays_sims]

Ah, that'll be my issue-- I was searching for 'faechangeling' and not getting them. But I got 'em!

Everything looks to be in here.

[(Anonymous)]

Hi Hat, G-Knee again ;)

I notice that you haven't seen the teen male conversion of the SA nightshirt. It's at the same link as the adult.

There's also a kidlet version here: http://www.medievalsims.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=4330

Hi Hat!!!!!

[digitaldollies]

I don't know if you're still active but I wanted to pop in and say hi to you.

Also I saw that you were interested in some combo skintones, I can do those in minutes. I'm not at the place where I can make new meshes yet, but I can poke SimPe with a pointy stick. So let me know what you are looking for. It's also super easy to make skintones out of any shape as long as there is a full body mesh. I know I linked it somewhere so I would be able to find it. Hope to hear from you soon. I know you were going thru family stuff, so I hope that's better.

Re: Hi Hat!!!!!

[hat_plays_sims]

Heya! It's good to hear from you-- how are you doing? How's the wrist? Myself, I haven't been active in the Sims community for a couple months, but that's mostly because my brain is in a place where it wants me to write stuff instead of make Sims stuff. Brains. What can you do?

Family stuff is family stuff-- I don't know what the last you heard was. (Dad passed at the end of 2011. 2012 was full of home improvement. My brother and his girlfriend made me an auntie at the end of 2013. Mom's retiring September first. Reality is a thing.) As far as linked bodyshapes, if you feel up to it I would dearly appreciate them, but my trouble is I'm not sure where to find what anymore, and half the shapes I'd love to use don't have opposite-sex counterparts. Ideally, with morphs and sexy toes and ladybits, teen and up and no big if adults and elders share meshes, I'd love to have (even just one!) linked skintone for...

Athletic Gal/Runner Guy
RenGal/Burly Knight (BK is by Cynnix and so far only one clothing mesh has been released, so...)
???/Punk Junkie (I'd say Faerie Gal but her ribcage is too narrow for her shoulders)
???/Neanderthal (Alas a burly lady with a short neck and big feet has not materialized)
???/??? Fat people (fatter than Maxis fatmorphs but not as fat as RenGal/Burly Knight. Every now and then I look at TS3 conversions and wish that were a bodyshape)

I'm a disaster! *grins broadly* But anyway, it basically boils down to the only thing that I want where all the components exist (somewhere besides in my covetous heart) is AG/RNR. I know the trick for linked skintones involves Theo's binning tool, but I forget exactly how it's done.

And now I'm in that awkward place where I want to thank you for a hypothetical without obligating you to do anything, so I'm just gonna hit post and go feed the cat, because according to Harley it is Kitty Breakfast Time.

Re: Hi Hat!!!!!

[digitaldollies]

Congrats on becoming an Aunt!!! It's the bees knees, I have 14 and 2 greats; 1 of each.

As far as the bodyshape a rounder one is the Well-Rounded sim by Dr. Pixel. It became my favorite and , so it became a mission to get everything going...as a matter of fact that's how I learned to make my very first mesh, skintone etc. I'd always been too wary of meshing and the complicated SimPe...Oh noooo, not for me.


A preview of the shape here:
http://geekygirlfun.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/say-all-i-need-showerproofskintones/

(and the a link to the skintone tut that I used, it really only takes minutes, but the link is apparently dead, I know that I'll need a quick refresher.)


I did do something for GoS advent, the same one as the Runner.

I also did a more petite shape based of Marvine Bouncy Dancer tester. That and Sussi got a shitload of meshes all together over a hundred I believe. I think that she'd be a good match for the runner, as she has a slightly more athletic build than EA default, but no where near as buff as the Athletic girl. As a matter of fact I do believe I have some skintones with the 2 MBD and Runner linked. I just hope I haven't lost them along with about 80% of all my simming stuff.


You can kinda get the idea from this post
http://digitaldollies.dreamwidth.org/10644.html#cutid1

I had also finished some requested meshes for a refreshing of the Athletic Guy, the very first shape Marvine made. Vanity deMise and I teamed up after the Runner shape. He's along the line of the Neanderthal but to me the shoulders and neck are more of my presence, I don't have any pictures of that one, because it's sort of on hold (2 years ago) But I do have the skintone linked I think to the WRS.

You can get the idea here:

http://www.backalleysims.com/adultsite/showthread.php?6098-Athlete-v2-testing

The AG/RnR combo can be done in a few moments, I have to get the bottom and top meshes for both. I know Vanity did use the Marvine feet for her AG. I like those for the reason that they are lower poly, however the mapping to totally different for the feet than either sexy feet or EAxis feet. I used the on the Runner meshes if that helps jog your memory.

I haven't seen the Burly guy, I do recall the Bear BB by Montoto, but the meshes aren't easy to find anymore.

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Had to stop for a phone interviw, and I now I lost my train of thought. But I did get the job !!! Yay me.

I think that I've rattled on way too long, but I've been holding in all of Simming talk, no one in the RL gets it...

I did stumble across a folder that says Me and Hat"s Massive Medieval project, a few days ago. Do you still play style. I have had much chance to play TS2 because it makes me want to make meshes so badly. But my Sims 3 keeps crashing and now it won't start. I said screw it and came back to the light side, but then I needed to get some new stuff, and now 6 days later I am still downloading. Haha

Well I'm going to eat some dinner, and I'll keep searching for that tutorial.

Re: Hi Hat!!!!!

[hat_plays_sims]

My niece is super-adorable, too. It is my job as Weird Aunt to always have gum and to let her play with my toys. My greatest achievement thus far (I've only seen her a couple times, she lives 300 miles away) is introducing her to Itsy Bitsy Spider, which went over adorably because the last time I saw her, she was totally fascinated by hands. (And my cat. Harley was less enthralled, and stayed juuuuust out of reach for the whole week Number One Niece and her parents were here.) Do you have fourteen and two aunts and great-aunts or nieces/nephews and great-nieces/nephews? I'm also glad you got the job! Congratulations! Jobs are important (I also hope it's a rewarding job and not a frustrating one).

Feel free to talk Sims with me! I need a kick in the pants to get back to work on men's underwear anyway. Medieval is always my style, because I'm a giant nerd, and I'm super-curious as to what's in that folder.

I do like the WRS, but she's not quite what I'm looking for because she's so close to RenGal in terms of... volume, I guess? WRS and RenGal look like they wear the same size with differences in how it hangs, if that makes sense. Or, maybe this'll make more sense: If Maxis Fit is a size eight and Maxis Fat is a size twelve, then Rengal and WRS fit and fat are in the 20/22 range, and I want something closer to 14/18. (Warlokk's Voluptuous hits the mark everywhere but her breasts, which are tremendous in every sense of the word.)

Basically-- and this is me dreaming, I fully admit that-- what I want in range of body types is pretty much the old Sims 1 Fat/Fit/Skn, expanded slightly. I've got my Androgyny, I've got Slim (Xhires/Improved Male Fatmorph defaults), I've got half of Slim Plus (Punk Junkie), I've got Strong (AG/RNR), I've got half of Strong Plus (Neanderthal), and I totally lack Fat, but I've got half of Fat Plus (RenGal). I'm pretty invested in hanging on to RenGal and Athletic Girl, because I've got some very useful meshes for those shapes.

Alas I do need sexy feet on my Athletic Girl meshes, but I know where to find some-- right here, and it's a light download because they're slaved to the default textures. I'm not exactly attached to sexyfeet, but Marvine's feet aren't remotely backwards-compatible with skintones that use the Maxis feet, where Bloom's feet are. I have this many skintones (which have had their sortindex numbers changed to match their genetic value. It took a few hours but it was totally worth it) and the plan is to slave showerproof bodyshape skintones to the default ones, so you can see why the toes that don't want me to repaint and replace all those textures are the ones that win out. (Although if someone came up with reduced-poly toes that used sexyfeet-or-similar mapping, I'd be all over that.) Anyway. Here is the only Brawny Knight mesh Cynnix has released so far, which is totally unhelpful except to see the good gentleman in question. And here, I think, is that bodyshape-linking tutorial-- Theo's site has been down for a while, but the Wayback Machine is a thing of beauty. I'm pretty sure I have your GoS Advent RNR set squirreled away somewhere, if you need that. I know I have your Androgyny/sexyfeet meshes.

Re: Hi Hat!!!!!

[digitaldollies]

Awwww, I bet the itsby spider thing is so cute. And I'm the Aunt my case, and also the weird one too. I haven't had much time to see the greats because I lived around 250 miles away for the last 2 years. I'm finally back now, and we're getting to know each again. They are 6 and 3.

Now onto to the sims stuff. I was combing PBK just last night because G-Knee let me know she did a WRS mesh. I saw the BK, well sort of, it's hard to see him under the armor (?) Also the RG V2, but I couldn't find a shower proof skintone, I figure I'm not looking in the right place.

My God, are you thorough. I swear I learn new stuff every time you post. Those dresses are gorgeous and I want them, but I honestly know that I'd never use them. And the skintones, that's tons of work, thus we'll get this done so that it will work with what you've already done. Speaking of the skintone, that link took me to some weird video site I searched google for it everywhere, or any other tutorial that uses the binning method to do the skins. I'll keep looking around though. Duh, I'm a dunce, I didn't think of the wayback machine. I got a 503 error, so I'll try again later.

Hmmm, I don't think the RG and WRS are close enough to be interchangeable, but in terms of what type of meshes available for your playing style I totally agree. I haven't actually looked at RG V2 in milkshape, I plan on doing that a little later on today, probably after I go to sleep.

Speaking of which, I believe I'm just rambling now. So I'm going to try to lie down again.

Oh, one more thing I'm going to try to find that folder again and I see what goodies are in there.

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[hat_plays_sims]

Ohh yes, she stared and laughed and tried to make her hands Do The Thing but at six months old, Itsy Bitsy Spider may as well have been playing a minute waltz in 45 seconds. Your siblings have provided you with many opportunities to be Cool Auntie! I'm impressed. It sounds kind of like my Mom's siblings; there were five of them, and I thiiiink everybody had two or three kids except the childfree couple (I won't swear to that. My older uncles re-used names a lot, so there are a bunch of Clarks and Marlenes and I lose track), and my youngest aunt is younger than my oldest cousin. (Among the cousins I grew up with, SUDDENLY BABIES EVERYWHERE. Except me. Not it, not it!)

RenGal v2! (I like a lot of the stuff at the Keep but they DO have categories everywhere.) She doesn't have a brother yet. *rummages around* Ahah! Cynnix's BK tag is mostly WIPs, but it's there.

I'm detail-oriented. I can't organize my life, but my god I can organize my game. I'm glad you like the dresses-- I'm really pleased with how they turned out, myself-- but I do indeed know they're not for everyone. The skintones actually weren't too bad. It was worse trying to get that nice genetic order when I had to keep flipping back and forth through the skins catalog and my list of genetic values. I could add more skins and find where they go WAY more easily now. ... I shouldn't, because there's a limit to how many default-shape skintones a sane person needs, but I could. And drat-- I'm sorry the Wayback Machine link didn't work for you. While I was there I saved the page as html, I can send you that if you want.

Oh, WRS and RG are definitely not interchangeable; WRS is curvier (rounder hips, fuller breasts) and has less-muscular legs. She and RenGal aren't the same build, just really close to the same size, where what I'm hoping for (someday) is a variety of sizes.

(I want to re-do my Multi-PT mod using bodyshapes, someday. Androgyny for Robin and Corrigan, AG for Ainsel, RNR for Lankin, Punk Junkie for Mallebron, and something delicate and slender that does not exist yet for Briary. Auberon and Titania can stay default.)

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[digitaldollies]

I'm so sorry it took me so long to get back with you, my great uncle/dad/Bishop of our church died Thursday night and it's been pure hell. I know he's better off since e was 90 and wheel chair bound because his gout was so terrible. But he'd been everything I ever needed as far as a male figure in my life. And the last few years we were pretty much estranged so I have to deal with that as well. I got some good news the day of his burial though, my niece is having another baby ( she's the one with the great nephew) we're hoping for a girl.

Yes, please and thank you for the html file, I really need to throw myself into something until I start work. I've been working on my hand exercises more, because I feel the need to mesh again. I've gotten as far as getting a list together of what I'd like. LOL oddly all the talk of the WR made me want to revamp the whole shape again, using smooth hands/ neaten up the meshes/ add variety. And the the middle weight class that you were talking about has me intrigued TBQH, I've been looking around. If you have some reference pics of what you have in mind maybe you could send them my way.

Thank you and your niece for the smile, just reading about her brightened my night :)

Re: Hi Hat!!!!!

[hat_plays_sims]

I'm so sorry for your loss. I know how a death in the family can derail everything for a while. Are you doing okay?

Here's that tutorial. (Third time linking is the charm.) And gosh, but smooth hands tempt me, but I beg for enough weird things done to weird meshes as it is. *grins* The closest I have to reference pics for a plump lady are comparison pics of nude fit and fat morphs of bodyshapes that don't quite work, at least in terms of useful reference... or just pointing out some TS3 conversions by Yuxi and Cynnix and RentedSpace, because I'll be honest, that bodyshape could work for me. It's not exactly pudgy, but it's noticeably thicker than TS2 bodies, and slimmer than RenGal. Would any of that help?

I can offer another Niece Of Hat story-- Mom's got a tablet, and the wallpaper is one of those animated-fish thingies, where you feed the koi and tapping the tablet makes ripples in the 'water.' My niece loves it. She likes to smack the water and watch it move. However, she's got a tendency to start other programs while we let her mess with the fish, and managed to set the date back to 2000 with random smackings.

We're still not sure how.

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[digitaldollies]

Awesomesauce. For the first time in Blue Moon Mediafire actually worked., huzzah!

Aww, I bet that was so funny with your niece. My 6 (26 acting) niece did something similar Saturday night while we were having our version of an Irish wake. I didn't know she'd opened other apps on my phone, I'd already explained to her that I only have 2 or 3 games on my phone. She'd opened so many apps my phone literally shut off. It's a galaxy note 3, and believe you me I've put it through its paces. LOL. But changing the date was a doozy, you may have an geeky genius on your hands.

I did go browsing at the different sites, but maybe I missed what you were talking about, or in my mind it's something different.

Adding the the smooth hands literally took me 2 minutes (yes I did it as a test) no need for a new group or mapping or anything. I did have to do the vertice data merge on one of the meshes, but that just added maybe 2 more minutes. It took longer to build the mesh in SimPe to be honest, probably because I had forgotten a couple of steps, lol. I'm going in game to test them tomorrow, hopefully. I've been downloading for the last few days, but with Mediafire giving me fits, and having to unstall and reinstall all 3 browsers, clear cache, cookies etc. I discovered that I can download just fine using my cellular data, meaning it's an ISP issue...grrrrr

Either way I found a couple of my old neighborhoods where I really played and had a semi-legacy so I'm loading it up to see if I can snag the houses and/or sims. That should be fun :)