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In the Middle Ages, everybody wore hats. Male and female, young and old, rich and poor, everybody had a hat or a hood or both, and I have even seen pictures of people wearing a hood, a coif, and a hat. I mean, without a hat, how could you tell Robin Hood from Link? Sims 2 has been out since 2004, and people have been playing Medieval games and writing Medieval stories (like the excellent Kingdom of Lothere) for nearly that long, and there's still a decided lack of Medieval haberdashery in general, much less really well-made stuff.

So I have made a list! And today I have decided to give that list its own post.

This is a database-slash-wishlist, because not only do I want to link to all the awesome hats that exist for Sims 2, I want to link to some of the awesome possibilities for hats that the Middle Ages could inspire, and... well, I kinda want to point out which hats exist, but could use an overhaul (or are historically inacurrate-- though usually I only complain when they're wildly inaccurate). If you know of any hats I've missed, please let me know! If you find inspiration in this list and decide to make a hat, especially an accessory hat, please let me know, because if you make it, I will recolor it. (I make no promises as to when, but I will recolor it.)

The Medieval Headwear Wishlist


Things that exist and work passably-to-awesomely:

Tressour Crispinettes (and hairstyle!) as accessories by FantasyRogue. These can be alpha-edited down into regular crispinettes, too. I have re-Pooklet'd the hairstyle for to bin it my way. You can find it by clicking the Hair Dump tag.
Nun's Veil and Wimple as a hair by Cynnix. This is another hair you can find in my Hair Dump tag.
English-Style Hennin as a hair by Bipsouille, animated by Fantasyrogue. An accessory version exists, too, but thus far without recolors. Click my Hair Dump tag; I have recolored this hat.
Female and Male Coifs for all ages as hairs by Cynnix. I have Pooklet'd these hairs. Check the Hair Dump tag.
Robin Hood Hat and Hairstyle (the hat is more properly called a bycocket) by Aligeth.
Italian Renaissance Hair (a reticulated caul, specifically) by Mio0331. I have Pooklet'd this hair. Check the Hair Dump tag.
Africa Hair by Elena at Milano Sims, updated to go over the ears by Dicreasy. I have recolored this hair, check the Hair Dump tag (the link to the mesh is JUST a link to the mesh).
Hijab by ClubKitty, altered to fit Sims' shoulders better, animated, and age-converted by Marja. I plan to recolor this hair; meanwhile the brown recolor at that link works. (Hijabs are not particularly Medieval Western Europe, but with light linen recolors, they look a lot like wimples.) This is mesh is in the 14,000 poly range, use carefully. (A polycount reduction has been promised but as of this edit has not materialized. I have my fingers crossed so hard it's difficult to type.) After several months of absence from both me and Marja, I have gone ahead and recolored this hair. Hie ye hence to the Hair Dump tag; if it gets a polycount reduction I'll recolor it again.
Altair Hood by Daislia converted to an all-ages accessory by Ja. Click the Hair Dump tag for eighty-two simple recolors of this hood.
Noble Veil as hair by Cynnix. You can find this hair by clicking my Hair Dump tag.
Open and Closed Knights' Helmets, Open for Business.
Rus Leather Hat as accessory and as hair by Cynnix, accessory to fit over Cynnix's coif. Essentially the Happy Holidays Santa Hat without a pompom, I have done eighty-two recolors of this one for my Three Lakes Vikings. Click the Hair Dump tag.
Aligeth's Robin Hood Hat as accessory by G-Knee, in two heights; one to fit over Cynnix's coif and full hairstyles, one to fit over closer-cut hairstyles. Wear it with a coif to get proper hat chemistry! I did eighty-two recolors of this hat; check the Hair Dump tag.
Two Headwraps as hairs by Trapping; Hat Wrap Bangs has to show some of the hair, while Bundled Up Beanie can be alpha-edited into something kind of like a Saint Birgit's Cap only started lower on the forehead. I have recolored both of these hairs; click the Hair Dump tag to find them.
A Veil over a low bun as hair by Berg; Queen Victoria's crown is alpha-editable, making this an easy cross-class hairstyle. I have Pooklet'd this hair; check the Hair Dump tag to find it.
Executioner's Hoods as Accessories by Cynnix do not necessarily have the widest appeal, but might also be good for bandits.
TSM Physician's Hat as hair by Cynnix are much like the Bag and Square hats from Medieval Design.
Daislia's Jester Hood as All-Ages Unisex Hair by Cynnix not a usual sort of hat, but definitely has its uses.
TSM Quest Item Flower Wreath as accessory by Cynnix is absolutely darling. Definitely not an everyday item, but pretty for a peasant wedding or a feast day.

Things that exist, but aren't awesome one way or another:

Ugly Duchess (based on the painting of the same name, a woman wearing a heart-shaped hennin) as hair by Bipsouille. Technically this hair is a 'heart-shaped hennin' taken too literally (and badly mapped), plus the veil is not animated, and it was made as hair rather than as accessory so for every hat recolor you want to make, you have to do it five times to get all your hair recolors-- twenty if you're a devoted Project Mayhem user. (The original hair is made on top of the Base Game Low Bun hair; as an accessory, the hat could be made to fit that mesh, too.) Cynnix did post a mesh edit of this hair at Plumb Bob Keep; however, all she did was replace the lumpy, poorly-mapped heart with a smooth, well-mapped heart that supports patterned retextures a lot better-- the hat's biggest problems (lack of animation, the fact that the hat should have a flat top with the heart suggested by the drape of the veil, exposed hair) are still problems.
Male and Female Helmets from The Sims Medieval as accessories by Marja. Because I'd like to put them over the Sims 2 Store chainmaille coif, since it doesn't make much sense to protect your thick skull but leave your tender neck open to the breeze.
Horned and Veiled Hats as hairs by Bettye, part of the Midsimmer Night's Dream project. Veil is not animated, it's a hair instead of an accessory, and the hat itself is a misunderstanding of the structure of an attor de gibet. Likewise, the Chadar as Nun's Wimple in the same post is almost workable; it has teen and adult ages, but any extreme animation causes clipping and the mapping is something of a nightmare in terms of keeping fabric grain to scale.
Nun's Habit as hair by Rose. I was halfway to retexturing this one before I went to check out the animation in CAS. The veil is okay but the neck clips straight through in any movement that has a Sim tipping their head toward their shoulder.
Conical (French) Hennin as accessory by Rose. Appears to function okay in Body Shop, but the veil is draped improperly, the angle of the cone is too wide, and the hat doesn't fit the head well for most hairstyles that could be worn with a conical hennin (loose hair, high buns, anything tightly fitted to the head).
Toque from TS3 Ambitions as hair by Cynnix. It's cute, but there's way too much hair on the younger ages, the veils are improperly placed and not alpha-editable, plus it's a hair instead of an accessory, which makes for inconvenient recoloring.

Things that do NOT exist even after nine years, but should:

A Saint Birgitte's Cap as a hair. This is one of the more basic headcoverings a Medieval woman (married, or just older) would wear. She could wear it as-is, of course, or pin a veil to it, or put a hat over it. If you make this cap (and it could be made from the basegame Shorttuckin hair with very few mesh tweaks and a bit of de-animating; find rough draft here ), when I get my legacy started I will dub this hairdo a St. YOUR NAME's cap. This hairstyle is to women what a coif is to men-- ridiculously common. I want to Pooklet this one in at least four, possibly eight or twelve different linen colors.
Further variations on the theme of 'hood', preferably as accessories. Points and dags and long tails and whatnot; Ja's edit of Daislia's Altair hood could be used as a starting point.
Caps, for men, as accessories made to fit over Cynnix's male coif (or other similarly sized hairs. Making the bottom solid avoids gaps).
A torque (or toque) with alpha-editable veils as in FantasyRogue's Crispinettes, either as an accessory to fit over styles like the Basegame Low Bun or as a hair with no hair showing (for ease of recoloring). I prefer accessories because I tend to recolor hats like these in Pooklet's Project Mayhem naturals, Aelia's Autumn actions, and CurousB's Any Color You Like actions, for a grand total of eighty-two variations.
A heart-shaped hennin, as accessory to fit over styles like the Basegame low bun. I'm partial to the flatter shape, but the more pointed shape with the deep V would thrill me, too-- as long as you remember it is not a literal heart shape. (Bipsouille did make a literally-heart-shaped hennin based on the Ugly Duchess painting, but the heart shape to the hat in the painting is suggested by one corner of a frilled veil pinned to the front of he flat-topped hat.)
A flowerpot hennin, alpha-editable veils draped any way you please, as an accessory to fit over styles like the basegame low bun, please.
The Flemish hood, mistakenly done as a hairstyle in Sims Medieval, and again a good accessory meant to fit over things like the basegame low bun.
From Medieval Design, lots of excellent hoods (ideally as accessories), the Medieval Felt Hat as accessory, and 1490-1520 Hat, Wool Hat, and Straw Hat, as accessories to fit over Cynnix's male coif. (Yes, there are straw hat accessories out there. None of them have quite the right shape (there's one at All About Style that's close, but it's ENORMOUS). Cowboy hats did not exist in the middle ages.) June and July in the Tres Riches Heures calendar also shows some good examples of Medieval straw hats, and when they'd be worn.
An oval veil in the style of the Du Lac gown seen here on Revival Clothing; soft folds around the face and a circlet keeping it in place. This one would work either as an accessory to fit over close-fitting loose hair like the basegame Halo or Marja's Sims 3 Pulled Backhair, or as a hair with no actual hair showing (the veil solid rather than sheer and covering everywhere you'd see hair). I have seen the Sims 3 conversion, but it sticks out from the head strangely rather than being close to the skull the way a piece of fabric held on with a circlet would be. Here is another resource on how to practically wear a veil.
A Steeple (French) hennin, as accessory to fit over hairs like the base game bun-- the high bun with sticks, not the low bun-- or base game Halo hairstyle, fairly close to the skull. The veil should cover the hennin entirely, as seen here or here. The lappets (the drape covering the front of the hennin) are accurate to some times and places but not all, and so should be alpha-editable. Mini history lesson: although flowerpot and Burgundian hennins (like the Marie du Bourgogne version by Bipsouille) were popular in England and Burgundy, in France and elsewhere on the continent, ladies of fashion liked their hennins as a full cone, not a truncated one. The cone of a very fashionable lady's French hennin could be as much as a yard high. The Old French root word of 'hennin,' 'genhenner,' translates roughly as 'to inconvenience.'
Veil from Celebration Stuff as accessory, maybe with the bulge in the back to cover the specific hair it's meant for evened out so that it can cover other hairs more easily.
TSM Physician's Hat as hair by Cynnix would rock my socks as an accessory to fit over her Male Coif.
Daislia's Jester Hood as All-Ages Unisex Hair by Cynnix is something I'd recolor a million times if it were an accessory.
Male and Female Magneto Helmets as accessories by SynapticSim. This is essentially Marja's TSM helmet without ponytail or wingy things made into an accessory. I've recolored it with the original TSM textures; check the Accessories tag to the right.

Medieval Hat Reference Scans

Date: 2013-08-03 12:06 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
In case you don't see my other post.....here are some scans for you. :)


http://www.medievalsims.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=5581

Date: 2014-01-27 02:47 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hey Hat! Long time no see at the Keep :P

Question. Do you have Milkshape?

Wawa

Date: 2014-01-27 05:05 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I found some interesting free 3d models that were on ShareCG by a member named rosemaryr. I hope posting the link here is okay so you can see them. I'm not sure if you may have seen them already though. They are highpoly but most hairs are too. I thought you might know of others that could "work" with them and maybe incorporate them into the game for us. I was waiting on Cynnix to provide her version of an accessory tutorial but she's gotten busy with RL again apparently.

The link: http://www.sharecg.com/pf/full_uploads.php?pf_user_name=rosemaryr&division_id=0&s=dd&pn=1&interstitial_displayed=Yes

I was able to resize them in Milkshape with a female body as reference. I'll send them in pics to you in PM via PBK if you want? It would be totally amazing if they could be made for TS2 use.

Date: 2014-01-27 06:09 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sorry it wouldn't open for you. I don't think I'd do them justice being as inexperienced as I am at the moment lol. It was why I thought you might have more contacts within the meshing artists :P But, maybe it's time to give it a whirl. I've been tinkering with other stuff already so what's another new learning curve :P.

And I took a few pictures ..... just in case. They are in the window viewer for Milkshape, one in UV mapper and one is rosemaryr's original.

http://s607.photobucket.com/user/wawa180859/library/Hennins

There are more ..... french hoods, simple scarfs, tudor gables. Some great stuff.

Date: 2014-02-02 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I did try to play around with the faces in Milkshape so it may work to lower those polys in those other hats. I'll need more practice with it. But I did try to make something from scratch for ya though. You just need to find the person ... cough, Cynnix, cough .... to see if it can be made for the game. (She's back after an illness :P). It's not the greatest model but it's the best I'm capable of at the moment.

http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt151/wawa180859/Hennins/steeple2UV_zps2d3ab07e.png
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt151/wawa180859/Hennins/steeple1_zps63555d28.png
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt151/wawa180859/Hennins/steeple5UV_zpsde9c90bc.png
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt151/wawa180859/Hennins/steeple3UV_zps7f27576f.png

I can only deal with one learning curve at a time :P so ..... I made the model, now we need to find someone to make it work :P

Wawa

Date: 2014-02-05 03:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cynnix
I'm really happy to be back lol

Ok, Walter's hennin is in the game, working on the animations now. Is it ok if it's just teen to elder?

[URL=http://s43.photobucket.com/user/Cynnix/media/WaltersSteepleHennin_zps94681660.png.html][IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e354/Cynnix/WaltersSteepleHennin_zps94681660.png[/IMG][/URL]

Date: 2014-02-08 05:42 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm actually in the process of remapping it. I hadn't done the veil or lappet mapping correctly. Plus I'm not happy how the veil ended up looking. There are a few places where the faces were inverted and I can't get it to correct itself. I'm waiting to hear back from Cynnix about it. The package file also had 3 subsets so I was hoping she could change that too. Since I'm not sure if just swapping them out would work, I'm hoping she can help again.

These are what I was trying to mimic with the black fabric. What am I doing wrong?

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=f_W936GRBwplsM&tbnid=rOCiBTj6NDIDLM:&ved=0CAgQjRw4YA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdecosadesign.deviantart.com%2Fart%2FSteeple-Henin-in-Gold-2-325542181&ei=_Gv2Uq25M4PAyAGZvoHABw&psig=AFQjCNFMNKaByHEc65VzhbNoy8wzYFiiFg&ust=1391967612923390

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ9K9A2rVQ88pXtbOBYGd0m4f-RGavDzaRJdCGPSzohLLW1MzaQkQ

Date: 2014-02-11 05:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
So I've reworked it again with some of those pictures as a new reference. I removed the lappet and added a ring to it instead. I'm hoping it won't look silly but the files on the way to Cynnix as we "type" so hopefully I have something soon again. Here's the link to the new revamp that I posted at the Works in progress thread at PBK.

http://www.medievalsims.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=63463#p63463

May not be the most accurate still, but I'm way happier with this one.

Wawa

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