hat_plays_sims | I got bit by a project bug and can't make a decision

Entry tags:

I got bit by a project bug and can't make a decision

I want to make a double apron (also called a midwife's apron). But I am conflicted! See, I just completed some top-only kirtles to be worn with bottom-only gowns (well. Nearly completed, I need to replace textures with fresh pngs Body Shop hasn't eaten, and slave ages together) and I'm torn.

Floor-length bottom-only aprons in this style (that won't really be compatible with the top-only shifts and placket shifts I've made, but like Sims in horrifying separates combos is new or unusual) on Cynnix's bottom-only trained gown...

OR

Mid-calf full-body-outfit aprons in this style on I'm not sure what mesh-- the Frigg dress,] maybe, I've got a child conversion for that (and it would work just as well for a floor-length apron), or the old Dark Project layered dress, which has good skirt dimension but I hate the sleeves. (Not a fan of the tight top but that's an issue with separates, too.)

Pros for a bottom-only apron, I'd only feel like I had to do eight linen colors (... maybe also dirty/bloody recolors. It's a midwife's apron). Cons, the skirt mesh I like for that big massive apron has Maxis heeled shoes. (Potential solutions, use a different skirt, or work out how to make a heeled mesh look like wooden pattens.)

Pros for a full-outfit apron, I can guarantee a loose-fitting torso on the Frigg dress, and show more color of the dress underneath since I don't have to go all the way to the hem, whether or not I use the layered dress. Also, could make for interesting maid/Uni cook/BV housekeeper defaults. Cons, I'd feel like I had to do all 82 colors I work with to go under the linen; also there are those sleeves on the layered dress.

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

Hi, Hat !
First comment here, even if I'm quite the fan...
(Just discovered I didn't have to register...)
Alright, let's see !
I love the "bottom apron", and the idea of being able to chose the top according to the rank of sims... but I just CAN'T imagine them in heels, except if you can disguise them in "sabots" (Internet translates by clogs apparently...) 'cause I know in some countries those have heels...

I'm less a fan of the "full-body apron", but hey, it's also very nice ! A full-outfit would prevent mismatch townies, after all...
You don't really have to do all the colors if you don't want to, it's really your choice.

There, my own humble opinion.
Humble, because I'm no modder, and I don't know the first thing about creating clothes.
(And I'm really not ready for that, if I believe some conversations at the Keep !)
Anyway, I hope I helped you.

See ya !
Solaya.

Sorry to be so late getting back to you, Solaya!

The thing I'd do with a high-heeled mesh is try to make them look like pattens (scroll down a bit), but between basegame-mapped shoes and the fact that walking heels aren't actually shaped like pattens, that could go either way. (On the other hand, under that Cynnix skirt, you can't really SEE the shoes.)

But thank you for your feedback! I'm glad I wouldn't be the only person using a midwife's apron.

Hey Hat!
If you like I could do mesh shaped for this apron.
Bottom only mesh, apron as a alpha-editable layer to go over top only meshes and make apron size more authentic
Plus shoes of your choice - Does it sound suitable to you?

PS:
I've admired your hair retextures and i want to give something back

Hello anon dangling a very tempting offer in front of me! That sounds fantastic, and I'd certainly be willing to wait for it! Especially since an alpha-editable loose top-on-the-bottom would let me make a proper sideless surcote (even maybe in the Gates of Hell style seen here (scroll to 'sideless surcoats' and see the lady in pink and white and the blindfolded lady in beige and blue), for which no good mesh exists).

... I'd end up using that mesh a lot, I think.

Do you need any input from me besides shoes (FantasyRogue's poulaines, please!) and suggestions on meshes to plunder and/or look at for the overall shape?

(If you like my hairs, keep an eye out for my GoS Blind Date gift.)

Great!
those surcote give me even better picture of mesh shape
Is there any specific dress meshes You like to use with this mesh - so I can test in-game
I just like to know - would You like different body shapes?
Morphs too - right?
If You don't mind -can I have a link for the shoes please?
PS: I also have an account on MTS and LeeFish - if this makes communication easier

I am super-excited, you have no idea how long I've wanted something I could turn into a Gates of Hell surcote that wasn't either painted on or belted in the wrong place. The midwife's apron wasn't even going to get anything fancy until you came along!

As for dress meshes, do you mean tops that would work with the skirt? If so, the only top-only separate I have for women I'd use is this untuckable one by Cynnix, although she's also done a loose top in this set that I keep thinking I should do something with someday. (I've also got a rucked skirt top, but that will not work for these purposes.)

If you mean you want examples as to how I the overdress should hang or the skirt should be shaped, the shape of Cynnix's bottom-only trained gown (in that same link with the loose top) would work really well as a skirt shape, and the alpha-editable part basically needs to hang smoothly down from the bust and shoulderblades, similarly to the Frigg gown or Mio's Italian Renaissance gown (which is too snug under the breasts, but the back falls beautifully. It's also got a skirt shape I'd be happy with).

Yes to morphs, please! If you want to make it for other bodyshapes, I'd be delighted (I use Androgyny, Athletic Girl, and RenGal V2, you can find some meshes for them in my tags in the sidebar), but as I don't have any separate tops for them, a Teen conversion with morphs would probably be more practical. (I'll recolor the HELL out of it, whatever ages and shapes you make it for.)

And you can find he shoes here on men or here on women, but not much actual leg shows on the ladies.

I'm okay continuing to talk here if you are! I don't know if this conversation would break any rules at MTS, and I don't have an account at LeeFish. I'd love to know your handle, though! (I know Dreamwidth accepts OpenID logins, but I can't remember which other blogging sites that works with, besides LiveJournal and Wordpress.)

I came with more questions,hope You don't mind
Would You like to have bump/normal map capacity
Do You prefer ts2(everything separate on uv map) or ts3(front and back sides are connected by one edge) style mapping
quick image: (http://s102.photobucket.com/user/Oeselian/media/comp_zpspyhgygar.jpg.html)
I have no further question for now

I don't mind at all!

Bump maps are awesome if you're willing to add them, and I prefer TS2 mapping. Every time I've tried to recolor something extracted from TS3, I've gotten angry at it.

Hey!
I've done basic shape
What do you think?
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/Oeselian/2015-02-21%2010_33_41-MilkShape%203D%201.8.5%20BETA%201%20-%20C__Users_user_Downloads_Textures%20%20and%20Pictures_over%20_zpsmtgr1j9d.png
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/Oeselian/2015-02-21%2010_33_24-MilkShape%203D%201.8.5%20BETA%201%20-%20C__Users_user_Downloads_Textures%20%20and%20Pictures_over%20_zpsoqwxe5fr.png

Looking good so far! Is the whole bluish area alpha editable? Which skirt mesh is underneath?

The only real feedback I have is stuff that you may already have planned to tweak-- the hem seems to abruptly tuck in rather than falling naturally to the floor, and it's hard to tell, but the... upper chest area (neck, shoulders, decollete) looks like it might be a little high up off the body underneath. I know it can't be right up against the 'skin,' but I'm a little worried apron strings and shoulder straps would noticeably hover, as-is.

Yes it's fully alpha-editable - in fact it has inside separate so surcoat can have different lining
bottom skirt is part of the mesh - so you could add skirt texture to the top mesh and it shows on skirt
I did tweak it
it now sits closer to the body(i'll see maybe i can move it a little more) and hem issue was caused by bad normals
Still have to tweak some clipping tho
I have some in game pics : http://s102.photobucket.com/user/Oeselian/library/Alpha%20overlay%20Mesh?sort=3&page=1

Oooh okay now that I see some in-game shots, I'm both very impressed and revising my plans a little bit. (Usually I add stockings to my tops, but I can see about six different ways this could be very useful, including for outerwear-- Underdress on the body plus fur-lined surcote plus contrast sleeves and maybe gloves from the top, that sounds cozy!)

This is VERY exciting, I can't wait!

I did test with all the top meshes You gave me - they fit(had to remove row of faces around the arm to archive this.Hope it's not a problem)
only one that wasn't compatible was fancy sleeve one
also i did add UV map image to the album - does it looks ok?
i also moved vertices closer to the body around chest
if thats okay,all is left to do is to add morphs and conversions
can't do screenshots right now - greenshot is throwing tantrums
EDIT: added some in-game pics

Edited 2015-02-22 18:23 (UTC)

That's not a problem, and the fancy-sleeve one causing difficulties isn't a surprise (and I don't use it, anyway). The UV map looks very logical-- what are the pointy rows of faces down at the bottom?

It looks great! I'm impressed it looks so good doing the Meditate animation, that is not a skirt-friendly animation right there. I can't wait to start messing with it. Thank you so much for doing this, and so fast!

It's inner bottom of the alpha hem,must have left there from the early stage
It can be removed now

I could give You a tryout mesh(no morphs for now)+recolour template
(second option is vital) and just to know that it works in your game too
beside i could possibly not detect all animation glitches

If mesh is good all around i'll add morphs and teen conversion

Feel free to send it along, but I'm having trouble getting houses to load today and I don't know why. I may not be able to test for animation glitches until I work that out.

Here You Go: https://app.box.com/s/9odf4d2kfz9c0szkelfnifzvkzfky1ws
I tried to add morphs too but my Milkshape doesn't like them for some reason
so i couldn't add them but don't worry i give them a second try

By the way thanks for subscribing!

Edited 2015-02-22 22:45 (UTC)

Grabbed, thank you! I'll let you know when I can test the things. Good luck with the morphs, and you're welcome-- if you make more goodies, I don't want to miss them!

Had success with the morphs - give me some time for them
Also i did uploaded mesh with wrong GMDC(my bad - sorry!) so if You if encounter some clipping it will be fixed with morphed edition

I'll keep that in mind! I should have some feedback tomorrow or Friday, and I apologize for the delay.

Have morphs almost done - some tweaking and in-game testing needs to be done
new shots with morphs in album

*peruses album* ... That does need some adjustment, doesn't it? But other than the patch of clipping on the fat-and-very-pregnant shape, it looks awesome. And I'm constantly impressed it looks that good while meditating-- the other skirt mesh I use a lot does this in meditation, and it cracks me up.

Yeah i saw this pic in gos and wondered You might like comparison
Morphs(and AF/EF mesh)will be ready tonight,I'll update the post with the link when time comes
Well here we go:
https://app.box.com/s/3a9w2ko8nxipbyd1c6maxh80a0j5nywx
Replace old mesh with the new one
Let me know does it still clips
Plus lower skirt UVs now match Your bottom only placket skirt textures

Edited 2015-02-27 23:37 (UTC)

Grabbed! I'm about to start my game so I'll get to see it in action. (Got to look at the first mesh in Body Shop. The overall shape is really nice, I can't wait to see it in motion. ... Also I just made six beards. Do you like beards?)

Nice,there few good ones out there.
Regardless of the mesh,is it good enough?
I'd like to upload it officially

I spotted your comment just as I was coming back this way to offer some feedback!

So far I've only just started testing, and checked out the fat morph in CAS, but I did notice a problem while the Sim walks. There's kind of a lot of clipping with each step, front and back, which would be an issue if there's a contrasting skirt under the alpha layer.

Looks good jumping on a sofa, climbing stairs, being attacked by a spellbook, or playing with a toddler, though! There's no clipping at all that I could spot on the stairs, which is pretty impressive.

ahh, i see,thanks for the feedback
Will work on it(hmm,narrower lower skirt a little bit)

That might do it! I've put her through some more of her paces, and all the clipping I've seen has been from the knees down-- most of it, not even that high. The only issues that went as high as the knee were some extreme conga dance moves I tried out when I finally remembered I have Squinge's Hula And More pack installed.

i think i chewed through the clipping issue
Hold on,fix is coming

Take your time! I've got a few things to take pics of and a few things to relocate in the catalog.

I'm almost there
Screenshots updates in album too(featuring some very extreme posing plus walking)

Those pics look about like what I saw-- punching bag roundhouse kick worked fine, smustling worked fine, but the clipping turned up when walking, descending stairs, or doing the conga (which I've never seen a Sim do in-game, so it might be a DJ booth thing). And then my computer crashed overnight sometime, so I've spent all day running assorted 'are you okay, computer?' programs.

Thats too bad,I hope things are fine now
I solved clipping issues so it's matter of time getting good working mesh,well if you still want it after all that fuss

Computer's working fine, I think I just learned a little lesson about not leaving Sims 2 running on a night I KNOW my antivirus is going to run a deep-system scan. Thanks for asking!

I do indeed still want the mesh if you're still willing to share! I have plans for that mesh, yes I do.

Okay I think it's done now
There one spot i can't fix tho
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m97/Oeselian/2015-03-03%2018_37_55-The%20Simstrade%202%20Mansion%20and%20Garden%20Stuff_zpsuifuofag.png
Lower skirt pokes through when relaxing on bed
Is that a major issue?I didn't detect any other clipping

No, I think that's only clipping because she's got her ankles crossed, which isn't a thing that can be helped (long dresses can get awkward). That doesn't bother me, and it's small enough that if I wanted to take a pic of a lady relaxing on her bed in her sideless surcote, I could creatively angle the shot to obscure it. The clipping while walking was the big deal, to me. Sims walk all the time.

In this case I'll get You a mesh right away
Update:morphs exploded without any reason,need to start over

Take your time! I'm in no rush.

I'm so done with this mesh!!!
Let's hope no more issues will raise
https://app.box.com/s/8xva68hj8um34vuygkt8wuj310jgi5q7
As usual,replace old with new

Grabbed! (Sorry for the delay.) I'll check it out next time I open my game-- thank you so much! Are you still willing to do a Teen conversion, or are you super-done?

Well,got teen version done too!
Was quicker job than I thought
Just need to do fast in-game test
EDIT:DONE
Let me know if something is still amiss

Everything looks good in Body Shop! One of my tester Sims just got pregnant, so I'll have a chance to look at morphs in game soon, and when I do that I'll check the Teen for clipping and such.

Took me ages to find things in Body Shop, because of course I fired it up when I was tired and scoured my entire Casual categories... before remembering the important part: this is a separate bottom, not a full-body outfit.

Thank you so, so much for all this!

EDIT: Okay, so I finally got in-game again, and while the clipping while walking is gone on AF (still need to make a teenager walk around, I did notice some weird flickering. here and here. Front and back, both ages, right at the crotch. I don't know what could be causing that. That and a little bit of TF clipping around the collarbones seem to be the only issues!

I'm so sorry this idea is being such a bear.

EDIT 2: TF clipping at the ankles here (sorry for the weird photo quality, it's nighttime in that house so I had to crank up the brightness in Photoshop). Not as bad as the original AF clipping, but it does seem to be in similar places.

Edited 2015-03-07 06:48 (UTC)

I'll see what i can do.I'm afraid that i can't do nothing about teen legs(same thing with the relaxing with the bed)but i try
I didn't notice before- this mesh is on 17. place in your wishlist
I notice something annoying-teen top mesh has differently sized breasts across the morphs(generally preg and normal morphs have same sized beasts)and this cause hell of a clipping mess with fat+preg morphs plus floating with normal preg morphs.The solution would be fixing the top but it's not my mesh.Hope creator won't mind if i include fixed mesh .
And only "one of those" animations is relaxing on bed - gives you some clipping
Although i managed to fix teen ankle and collarbone clipping

Edited 2015-03-08 00:36 (UTC)

I have always wanted something I could make a good sideless surcote out of, it's true.

About the pregmorph breasts, I'm pretty sure Cynnix based her morphs on an untuckable top by I want to say M, who based it on the default meshes in InTeen-- it might be simpler to adjust the bottom to fit the top than adjust one top and hope nobody ever uses any of the other ones. I can see if I still have the original TF untuckable top around somewhere, it doesn't have any sleeves, just smooth arms. (I should have it, I never throw anything out.)

Relaxing on the bed in a big skirt always makes for some clipping. The ankle and collarbone clipping is much more important.

I think i have to drop teen mesh - too much miniature clipping with the morphs - I'm sorry
Adult are good tho - HERE
Again sorry for delay too

Edited 2015-03-20 09:29 (UTC)

Grabbed, thank you! Don't worry about the Teen mesh or the delay, I've been a little delayed myself and this mesh has basically all the parts. That's a lot of clipping to keep track of!

Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

I got bit by a project bug and can't make a decision

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject

no subject